tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post4595997449522233487..comments2024-03-01T15:11:54.107+08:00Comments on Little Stories: Sex, Suicide and PoetryGilbert Koh aka Mr Wanghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01027678080233274309noreply@blogger.comBlogger117125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-22669303859502560382010-11-08T20:32:12.297+08:002010-11-08T20:32:12.297+08:00A joy to read. So true, so close to home.A joy to read. So true, so close to home.znoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-12531417491854870442009-12-20T08:23:14.173+08:002009-12-20T08:23:14.173+08:00did you really think the authorities would allow y...did you really think the authorities would allow you to play games with conditioning that makes trillions annully?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05736602037929539898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-73734966138823734952009-09-19T16:30:52.315+08:002009-09-19T16:30:52.315+08:00Well most Christians, not just fundamentalists, ta...Well most Christians, not just fundamentalists, take a stance against homosexuality, because it is clearly listed in the Bible as a sin, no matter what detractors say.<br /><br />I have for the record read and heard many former homosexuals. According to scientific research, there <i>is</i> a predilection for some people to exhibit homoerotic tendencies, but it is certainly not a genetic trait (ie. you may be more prone to homosexuality, and certain factors such as estrangement with your father as a child often make it worse, but no one is really "born" a homosexual). If a homosexual is truly genetic, then the other half of an identical twin would definitely be a homosexual. Research however shows otherwise (many "other" halves of a homosexual twin lead heterosexual lives).<br /><br />As per the debate, I like to remind some people that a lot of Asians, like myself, are still conservative (this sounds pretty much like a bad word nowadays). Although most people may pretend premarital sex is alright, some still regard it as "wrong", basically because of the problems arising from an unwanted pregnancy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-31043529929903504612009-05-17T18:55:00.000+08:002009-05-17T18:55:00.000+08:00I dont understand all these debates.
Pro-gay, ant...I dont understand all these debates.<br /><br />Pro-gay, anti-gay.<br /><br />Everyone is so defensive about their point of views.<br /><br />All arguing based on religions, the issue about what's natural/moral/normal and what's not.<br />And people not supporting a political figure becuz of his stand on this controversial topic.<br /><br />People, can we all just pause and think?<br /><br />Firstly, there's SOOO MUCH MORE to a person than just his/her view on this homosexuality topic, or whether he/she is gay/straight/bi/transgender.<br /><br />Secondly, one person's voice does not represent the whole community he's speaking for. Because human beings are just imperfect, we tend to take sides, be defensive and etc. And EACH and everyone of us is brought up differently.<br /><br />People arguing about what's natural and what's beneficial to the society, what if one day, someone who saved your life is a gay personnal, will you deny that he/she has never helped you in any way, just becuz he/she is gay? I believe you wont, becuz we all have emotions and any person in their right mind will be thankful.<br /><br />And the same goes for what's being taught in school. As parents, we can influence our kids in many ways, but we also know certain things are beyond our limit and it should be, like the kinds of friends our kids hang out with, we can advices and give informed choices but the child should be able to explore his/her life himself/herself. Even us as adults, there are always things in life there are beyond our control.<br />So what will you do if your conservative views on this taboo topic caused your child to be distant from you, because what if it's so happens he/she's gay and need someone to talk to? Or worse, some cases, gay teens have killed themselves because of this feeling of being "abnormal"<br /><br />Of cause, pls do note that i'm (like many others) who are supporting my claims/arguments with bits and pieces of infos i've read/heard and citing what could be individual cases. We all arent that free to be collecting data and facts from all over the world. What we believe is from what we see and what we've heard. <br /><br />Emotions. Emotions are the key factor that control a human being. And parents are to ensure that their children make informed choices. If you truly love your child, you'll be happy knowing she/he is in the right hand and is really happy, no matter who he/she's with. I will be angry if my daughter is dating someone who doesnt value her and treat her well, regardless of that person's gender/religion/age. But hey, who are we to complain if all i see is a smile on her face all the time? We, parents sometimes tend to force our values and beliefs on the children. My mom often told me to never date people of other skin colour or religion. We all know every individual is different.<br /><br />Sterotypically, we say men are stronger, able to protect and thus we think that our daughters will be safe in a man's hand. But we all know it's not the case for all.<br /><br />Whether homosexuality enables procreation or not, the birth rates are falling anyway, due to social factors other than homosexuals themselves. So not like heterosexuals are contributing much to the society in this sense too, but it's all an individual's choices. Some people choose not to get married, some people choose to marry later, some people choose not to have kids, some people wants plenty of kids. <br /><br />So please pause and think, guys.<br /><br />We say that homosexuals are no good cuz they bring in AIDS. but are ALL homosexuals HIV positive and do ALL of them go round having sex with anyone that comes their way? If you dont know, then go figure out before you say something.<br /><br />Just like when i was younger, i heard things like "All men are no good". But are ALL men really no good?<br /><br />We said that teaching about neutrality of homosexuality will cause disturbances to the mainstream and traditional values, but what if the teacher who saved your daughter from being cheated by a sexual predator and who eventually played a part in her being happily married to a guy is a gay teacher, will we still say the same?<br /><br />I'm not here to tell you why homosexual is good or heterosexual is good.<br /><br />Everything in this world has advantages and disadvantages.<br /><br />I'm here to plead everyone to try and see people for who they are and what's in their hearts, instead of arguing for god-knows-what. <br /><br />The ability to change the world<br />The ability to put smiles on others' faces<br />The ability to be compassionate,<br />It doesnt depend on what the person is on the outside, but rather on what's inside.<br /><br />You can be a homosexual and be all rotten.<br />You can be a black and save people's life<br />You can be a chinese who walk away while a person's dying and refuse to tend to him/her.<br />You can be anything and not do anything to a situation that you could have otherwise saved.<br />Or you can also be anything and yet making changes to this dying earth with what's in your heart.<br /><br />We all have choices.<br />And yet we are also limited by our knowledge.<br />Sometimes i find this endless discussion about homosexuality issue sickening.<br />The points of arguments are always repeated.<br />I often wonder, "dont you people get tired of this?"<br />Why not, for a change, go make friends with homosexuals and see if they really are sick-in-the-mind or just everyday-people like you and i?<br /><br />-CheersAlexLeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-44070864998431206602009-05-16T18:32:00.000+08:002009-05-16T18:32:00.000+08:00Thanks to Mr Wang and Ape for showing patience whe...Thanks to Mr Wang and Ape for showing patience when explaining the point =)YCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13552925873957227661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-70280754308178792332009-05-16T17:40:00.000+08:002009-05-16T17:40:00.000+08:00Solo Bear,
I see the issue of fundies in Singapor...Solo Bear,<br /><br />I see the issue of fundies in Singapore context this way.<br /><br />If fundies want to keep their fundie activities amongst themselves, who cares?<br /><br />It is when they cross the line, forcing their ideas on others that is where the dispute begins. The biggest issue now is that the fundies are telling us how to teach our children.<br /><br />Of course, I know that you have said that you are comfortable with your children being taught right-wing nutjob Christian Fundamentalism. Yes, I too teach my children about it. Difference is that we see christian fundamentalism is to be approached differently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-40236773295642254532009-05-16T12:06:00.000+08:002009-05-16T12:06:00.000+08:00Let me try, let me try :p
Simple people (natural ...Let me try, let me try :p<br /><br />Simple people (natural tendencies)<br />Heterosexual - have sex with opposite<br />Homosexual - have sex with same gender<br /><br />People by choice, who chooses celibacy (no sex) e.g.<br />Heterosexual monk/priest - no sex<br />Homosexual monk/priest - no sex<br /><br />People by choice, who chooses not to follow their own natural tendencies:-<br />Heterosexuals - have sex with same gender<br />Homosexuals - have sex with different gender<br /><br /><br />Anon (May 15, 11:55AM)<br /><I>"You seem to imply that there are some homosexuals (those who engage in homosexual activities) who are not born that way. They sort of join in with the others who do have homosexual orientation."</I>Hi Anon, you seem to imply that there are heterosexual who engage in homosexual activities because of the existence of homosexuals... I don't think, this is what YCK meant and I hope this is not what you understand from YCK's comment.Apehttp://kinjioleaf.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-19991657878810157452009-05-15T21:50:00.000+08:002009-05-15T21:50:00.000+08:00According to YCK:
"However, it is logically flawed...According to YCK:<br />"However, it is logically flawed to say that a person's participation in these activities imply that he has that orientation."<br /><br />Mr Wang, your interpretation doesn't seem to agree with YCK's statement. According to him, a person engaging in homosexual activities does not imply that he has a homosexual orientation (heterosexual?).<br />Ok, shall leave it at that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-65973024868444729242009-05-15T19:08:00.000+08:002009-05-15T19:08:00.000+08:00I don't see why this is difficult to understand.
...I don't see why this is difficult to understand.<br /><br />A person may be heterosexual, but he may or may not have a heterosexual lifestyle. For example, he may choose to be a priest or monk; or for whatever other reason, he may choose not to have sex.<br /><br />Similarly a person may be homosexual, but he may or may not have a homosexual lifestyle. For example, he may choose to be a priest or monk; or for whatever other reason, he may choose not to have sex.<br /><br />The question is whether society should leave people to make their own decisions about their own private lives, or whether society should compel people to be priests or monks or to have sex with particular types of partners.<br /><br />The answer is quite clear to me.Gilbert Koh aka Mr Wanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01027678080233274309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-50278417677258657742009-05-15T16:29:00.000+08:002009-05-15T16:29:00.000+08:00YCK,
I shall accept that your train of reasoning ...YCK,<br /><br />I shall accept that your train of reasoning is above me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-4053150431105679392009-05-15T14:25:00.000+08:002009-05-15T14:25:00.000+08:00Ah. Was it that hard? Thought you got it then you ...Ah. Was it that hard? Thought you got it then you lost it in the very next line.<br /><br />Shall leave it so. They have classes teaching logic.YCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13552925873957227661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-4671834755859862532009-05-15T11:55:00.000+08:002009-05-15T11:55:00.000+08:00YCK,
Wow your 'elementary logic' is not that easy...YCK,<br /><br />Wow your 'elementary logic' is not that easy to grasp.<br /><br />You seem to imply that there are some homosexuals (those who engage in homosexual activities) who are not born that way. They sort of join in with the others who do have homosexual orientation. <br /><br />Some had no choice; others had a choice, and chose to join in the homosexual activities ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-66349249407627861932009-05-15T10:37:00.000+08:002009-05-15T10:37:00.000+08:00Hi Ape,
Thanks for sharing your experience. I wou...Hi Ape,<br /><br />Thanks for sharing your experience. I would like to think that cultural pluralism is also an important strand in "Asian Values", rather than a weakness =)<br /><br />Anon 11:29<br /><br />I think the greater problem is with the side holding anti-homsexual stand. It is even less clear. Do you or do you not get this:<br /><br />A person with homosexual orientation tends to take part in certain sexual activities congruent with it. However, it is logically flawed to say that a person's participation in these activities imply that he has that orientation. It is called converse error. Elemetary logic. Think hard about it.YCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13552925873957227661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-88175324883181735932009-05-15T01:12:00.000+08:002009-05-15T01:12:00.000+08:00Great. Another spoken word poet. Has this blog j...Great. Another spoken word poet. Has this blog jumped the shark?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-80733879507111234392009-05-14T23:46:00.000+08:002009-05-14T23:46:00.000+08:00"Asian values" can also mean spitting and emptying..."Asian values" can also mean spitting and emptying nose in public.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-50421290186016204282009-05-14T23:29:00.000+08:002009-05-14T23:29:00.000+08:00"Thus, the assertion that "homosexuality..."Thus, the assertion that "homosexuality" (the act, not orientation) does not need to have a genetic basis is not exactly wrong."<br /><br />So it's very unclear what the pro-homosexuals stand is. Are gays & lesbians born that way, unable to choose their sexuality. Or did they choose to be a gay or lesbian ?<br /><br />Some seem to say that they are hardwired that way, just like heterosexuals are attracted to the opposite sex (what most would call 'natural'). <br />But others seem to voice out that it is their choice of lifestyle.<br /><br />Then there is the issue of the effeminate gays and the 'male' gays. Born or influenced? All very confusing....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-53143755444205228912009-05-14T22:52:00.000+08:002009-05-14T22:52:00.000+08:00Your future is in your handsI do hope more people ...<I>Your future is in your hands</I>I do hope more people like Isk (12 May, 0905pm) who have attended the CSE or talked about the homosexuality during GP speak up and share with us your views.<br /><br /><I>Traditional/Conservative Values</I>Who defines such values? My dad's idea of traditional values include addressing all your elders present at the dining table before having your meal. Make offerings (at least a joss-stick) to the ancestors once a day. Help mum clean the house... even if you're a boy as an act of filial piety. Good thing he was pluralistic as well. Thus, when he saw me giving thanks to this seemingly "ang moh" entity instead of appreciating his humble salary that was used to feed us, or when I refused to hold the joss stick, he was upset but never once had he said something to the effect of "these people had invaded our traditional way of life". He pluralistic approach had won me over eventually. I share his belief and will do the same for my children.<br /><br />BTW, the other side was also getting a bit too... demanding? so this prodigal ape punched out and returned to his father.Apehttp://kinjioleaf.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-1058205165475121472009-05-14T22:37:00.000+08:002009-05-14T22:37:00.000+08:00Well, Kama Sutra and Romance of the Red Chamber ar...Well, Kama Sutra and Romance of the Red Chamber are also Asian values...Thehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02941744057903049051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-51387065972036320082009-05-14T15:44:00.000+08:002009-05-14T15:44:00.000+08:00Hi Mr Wang,
I have not followed your posts for a ...Hi Mr Wang,<br /><br />I have not followed your posts for a while until recently. But I noticed that quite a number of comments here mentioned something about "Asian Values".<br /><br />Correct me if I am wrong, I do not believe that you have not written anything on it, a surprise given the breadth of topics you write on.<br /><br />I believe it is important to be clear what it is. There has been some incidents as I construe of commentators tying their moral positions to it. Mostly, it broadens its supposed applicability: What is moral to a small conservative segment is also applicable to a larger segment with conservative "Asian Values".<br /><br />This "Asian Values" has been made out to be a uniform. Thus, examples of liberal views in Asia could be shrugged off as anomalous. It is an generally appealing idea, to be able to define a group so one-dimensionally. Thus, all gays are promiscuous; Singaporeans are heirs to conservative "Asian Values" diametrically opposite to the decadence of "Westerners"; all Christians are exculsivists; all Muslims are anti-American etc.<br /><br />It is important to agree on what key-terms mean to have a meaningful discussion. Thus if you are up to it, I would like to see you attempt it =) You may want to check out Amartya Sen's critique. Even now, the two camps do not even to have an agreed understanding of homosexuality. Thus, the assertion that "homosexuality" (the act, not orientation) does not need to have a genetic basis is not exactly wrong.YCKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13552925873957227661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-34243965903446511542009-05-14T12:21:00.000+08:002009-05-14T12:21:00.000+08:00Just as there are gays who do sleep around, there ...Just as there are gays who do sleep around, there are straights who do the same, no?<br /><br />Just as there are straight couples who are truly faithful to each other, there are gay ones who do the same, no?<br /><br />Is simply being gay a greater sin than married people sleeping with others? <br /><br />Is it any coincidence that the bulk of HIV transmissions come from heterosexual intercourse?小肥与阿宝https://www.blogger.com/profile/15870329836270170996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-49255844704020732712009-05-14T10:43:00.000+08:002009-05-14T10:43:00.000+08:00What has the fundies got say about this?
News @ A...What has the fundies got say about this?<br /><br />News @ AsiaOne<br /><br />Hubby had sex using cucumbers and brinjals<br /><br />Man in trouble with law after misusing vegetables on wife. -The Star/ANN<br /><br />Thu, May 14, 2009<br />The Star/Asia News Network<br /><br />A MAN who misused cucumbers and brinjals while having sex with his wife is in trouble with the law.<br /><br />The woman claimed that he had forced a cucumber or a brinjal into her private part at least seven times in the past six years ago, police sources told Harian Metro.<br /><br />Apparently, the man, who is in his 40s, had erectile problems after an accident.<br /><br />It is learnt that the man began abusing his wife, who is in her 30s, with the vegetables after he got the idea from watching pornographic videos.<br /><br />"The victim suffered physical and mental anguish because of that. She had pleaded with her husband to stop his improper act," a source said, adding that she was concerned about her health, besides the discomfort and pain.<br /><br />The woman, who lives in Kajang, Kuala Lumpur, made a police report on Friday. --The Star/Asia News NetworkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-51045229463416252492009-05-14T09:44:00.000+08:002009-05-14T09:44:00.000+08:00So most of the 'pro' are saying that homosexuals a...So most of the 'pro' are saying that homosexuals are born that way.<br />There are documentaries and accounts of how gays were effeminate from young, how they behaved more like girls. So they grew up attracted to men, in fact behaving like a 'girlfriend'.<br />That 'explains' the gays who take the role of the female.<br /><br />What about the gays who assume the role of the male ? They did not grow up as 'sissies'. In fact they are as manly as heterosexual men.<br /><br />Why do they prefer effeminate men rather than women? Were they born that way, or was it a matter of choice? Or just taking advantage of the opportunities. Perhaps the pro-homosexuals would like to elaborate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-85512893031739029812009-05-14T09:09:00.000+08:002009-05-14T09:09:00.000+08:00The "horror stories" of homosexuals pushing agenda...The "horror stories" of homosexuals pushing agendas are really about them screaming out for rights for THEMSELVES, and themselves only. They do not care whether the large heterosexual community switch to homosexuality or not. <br /><br />The people who claim that the homosexuality community are pushing their wrong thoughts and want to "convert" people to be gay/lesbian...these are the people who go around converting others and forcing their own beliefs down other people's throats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-1936254167270714862009-05-14T04:11:00.000+08:002009-05-14T04:11:00.000+08:00hi.
This mini-debate going on in here is pretty a...hi.<br /><br />This mini-debate going on in here is pretty amusing.<br /><br />The anti-gay group has clearly defined homosexuality as unnatural, which has been debunked by the American Psychological Association. Firstly, even if there was sufficient proof that homosexuality is gene-related, hereditary-related (note: carriers may not express the trait) and "natural" so to speak, the anti-gay lobbyists would never accept this as natural. They have sunk so deep in their false beliefs which are:<br /><br />1) that homosexuality is unnatural,<br /><br />2) and that it is caused by pro-homosexual groups spreading the message to heterosexual people to turn them into gays (like a disease)<br /><br />3) that people are not born homosexual<br /><br />i pose the question to the anti gay group: what if in the near future, there is sufficient proof that homosexuality is determined at birth? would you then continue on your burn-the-gays-on-the-stake crusade? or would you then open out to these people?<br /><br />Moving on, the anti-gay people adopt the "appeal to nature" fallacy in their argument (which is nothing but basically homosexuality is unnatural and therefore evil and wrong)<br /><br />ASSUMING homosexuality is unnatural. Does it mean unnatural is necessarily bad? I don't remember nature having made things like plastics, buildings, computers, things that improve the quality of life. <br /><br />secondly, if we really think that unnatural = bad. Why don't we close down all the hospitals? Nature's biggest rule, is the survival of the fittest. Since these old people with cancer are too weak to survive on their own, why should we help them? why not let nature weed out the weak? as per the case mentioned above on IVF.<br /><br /><br /><br />lastly, if anyone has noticed, that the homosexual people in question have mostly identified with not being able to make an active choice about which gender they have an attraction for. I think i would rather believe it from the horse's mouth, than assume that people are naturally born heterosexual.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4405345292513335071.post-56310834788412423292009-05-13T18:40:00.000+08:002009-05-13T18:40:00.000+08:00anon May 12, 2009 8:56 AM
my first reply to you...anon May 12, 2009 8:56 AM <br /><br />my first reply to you got lost somewhere in blogger (unless mr wang managed to find it somewhere in his comments list, but i hope he publishes both since this one might have missed some stuff from the old one but this one also have additional stuff) so i'll try to recall as much what i had typed.<br /><br />perhaps some parents might have rathered that they were in the know of what is in the CSE and had their consent seeked. but consider this, if parents had not given their consent and pulled their child out of it, how many of these parents are actually going to give their children proper sex ed with a fair judgement that is unbiased towards sexual minorities or controversial issues? judging from the number of petitioners that were "against" the CSE irregardless of whether it was because they mentioned that the CSE mentioned the use of condoms which "encourages the child to experiment", anal sex "is wrong" (if i'm not wrong, the students manual actually didnt mention about anal sex. it was the INSTRUCTORS manual for ADULTS) or homosexuality "should be negative not neutral", i find it quite hard to believe that these parents are up to task to dishing out proper sex ed to children who readily have access to pornography, who are approaching independent adulthood in a blink of an eye, especially so for men who are going to NS and are pretty much out of range of their parents or their teachings. for one, i give my own example. i'm 21, my sister is 26, my brother is 28. all my mother says to all three of us is "dont do it. dont try it. with or without a condom". and i have a gut feeling that this is the advice that parents give best to their children on sex ed because it is the easiest thing to say, it doesnt require and case studies or statistics. like it or not, sex is a taboo for our parents in their communication with their children (and it appears to still be so). precisely because it is this way, we need CSE which gives us a more objective view that is suitable for these teens who are fast approaching independent adulthood and exposed to the real environment. <br /><br />does this mean that abstinance education should be done away altogether? well, abstinance education still has it's place, like in secondary schools since it is illegal for them to have sex under the age of 16. and abstinance education does cover topics such as teen pregnancies and STDS, though i dont find the topics sufficent or in-depth enough. but to my knowledge, it doesnt cover the issue of homosexuality, which is a fatal weakness since it doesnt cater for students who might have realised the emergence of their homosexual tendencies and are still a little lost. this is when CSE comes to place and should be given to students of junior colleges. contrary to pro-abstinace beliefs, i dont think that CSE assume that students do not have the ability to say no to sex or do not practice abstinance, but rather it teaches students what should they do when they start to make their own sexual decisions and how best to protect themselves and their loved ones, which may be then, may be in a few years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com